Squad Nero Episode 56: INVINCIBLE PACING WITH JIN WOO

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What it do?

It's your boy Sage back in this thing with Squad Nero.

Episode 56.

If you wanna be technical about a season two episode.

Back up in this thing, yet again with another.

I personally apologize.

We, yesterday, that was my fault.

I got a little, so appreciate y'all for stop checking.

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Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Can you put his game?

Yeah.

Well, his game is like, he's up.

That's the thing.

So, okay.

Rob, unplug your mic.

No, it's the fact that it's like skipping in and out for him.

So, it's not like-

That's the test in testing.

All right.

All right.

Take two.

I'm good.

Go again.

Take two.

All right.

I got to do it all over again?

Just summarize it.

Hurry up.

All right.

Episode 56.

I apologize for not being here yesterday, or for us not being here yesterday.

That was all me.

We say Sundays are on Mondays.

Yeah, Sundays are on Mondays.

We appreciate y'all for stopping by.

Episode 56.

If you want to be technical, season two, team, back up in this thing.

Damn.

Really?

What the fuck?

Just go with it.

Captain America, spoiler review.

How y'all feeling now that now that everybody has watched it and in some time.

I low key thought about this today, bro.

If you put Eddie Murphy in that role, it's damn, they're going to be the same movie, bro.

Pretty much.

This shit was a joke, in my opinion.

I understand what they were trying to do with Anthony Mackie, but it was like.

Damn.

You say it's the Eddie Murphy movie?

Damn.

Could you see Eddie Murphy in that role?

I could.

But I'm saying the way he was acting, like, come on, y'all got shit to do.

Like, bro, you're getting your ass whooped by regular civilians.

And then you doing all of this superhero shit.

He kicked the shield and took out three missiles.

I don't care what type of training he got going on.

That's that's super, super soldier shit right there.

And then it's like there's so many different plots going on in the movie.

You're like, OK, the leader here.

OK, they're going to bring in the Captain Israel girl.

She served the purpose for like 15 minutes.

And then his his sidekick.

What was his name?

Joaquin?

Yeah, or whatever.

This nigga just hacking into everything at this at the click of a button.

And then the leader getting around the United States, like the leader got from the military base to somebody's house to a secret military base all in the span of eight minutes.

And it was like, yo, there's no explanation for how he's moving for anything that's going on.

Like then I actually liked Thunderbolt Ross in the film.

I thought he was the best part of the film, in my opinion, him and his relationship with Japan.

But other than that, I feel like the movie was just doing a little bit too much, trying to make it seem like all inclusive and cool.

But it was just, it wasn't enough focus on, I don't think it was a focus on Captain America, to be honest.

Now, like to your thoughts, D, like honestly, in my opinion, I enjoyed the movie, it was about 8 out of 10.

It was so much going on because of the mess that went on with MCU, with the MCU.

We are not getting Eternals, so they explained that in there.

We're not getting a new Incredible Hulk, so they had to explain that with Thunderbolt Ross and his story to close that storyline out with him and his daughter, and him turning into Red Hulk, and with the leader coming in, so they had to use that.

So it was, in my opinion, it was literally Eternals part two, or Eternals one and a half, and Incredible Hulk's one and a half.

So we're not getting Thunderbolt Ross no more?

No, we are.

No, we are.

He's going to be in the Thunderbolts.

Like, more than likely, he's going to be in the Thunderbolts.

But it's the fact that they were closing the...

They were closing the storyline on the Incredible Hulk, the Edward Norton one.

So they were trying to close that out with him and Betty.

With Betty?

Yeah, Betty.

With him and Betty.

And then they were closing out the Eternals, talking about the Antimantium, down in the Indian Ocean.

So it's like they were trying to...

Because remember, it went through a lot of script rewrites.

A lot of script rewrites.

Oh yeah, Serpent Society was added in there for Giancarlo Esposito.

Yeah.

So they...

I forgot about that.

And in Giancarlo's, we're not done with him because remember what he said.

I'm going to escape.

And Captain America said, I'm going to put you back in.

But we know he's going to get out.

So that's the one thing I'm kind of glad.

It's not like they want to off Giancarlo's character.

He can come back later on.

Like he's not like a permanent enemy, but he's like a side enemy that they can like stop.

Or it could be like a mid fight in a big movie or something where he pops in or something.

But overall, I enjoyed the movie because I wanted them to close the book on some of these movies because we were just sitting at a standstill waiting.

Eternals came out like what?

Five, six years ago, it feels like.

Yeah.

So they needed to close that out, which at that point, the Eternals are now side characters to big movies going forward.

They can bring them back because remember, most of them are spanning judgment, whatever that big spirit was that pulled them in.

So, he can let them come back and save Earth and Doomsday or in Secret Wars or whatever going forward.

And we can finally get that Black Knight whenever Blade gets made.

That's still up in the standstill from the Eternal Movie, that ending cut scene.

So it's like they're trying their best to give us a solid movie, but at the same time close the book on some of these other movies that they have to wide open, which I'm not mad about.

So it's like I knew what I was going into when I heard that they're going to touch on The Incredible Hulk and The Eternal.

So it's like it says Captain America, but it's not Captain America per se.

But Anthony Mackie did do a good job with what he was dealt with.

It's sort of like the Gorda Butcher effect.

He did what he was supposed to do, but it wasn't on the level we expected.

Wait, speaking of that, who did that nigger kill?

Gorda God Butcher.

He killed all the guys off screen and we didn't see it.

He killed that one big giant animal, that Thor ended up coming across.

But that was the one thing that was wrong with Love and Thunder.

You got Gorda Butcher, show him off in some of these gods.

And they did, you just got the image of in your brain that he did do that.

But overall, back on the subject, Captain America, 8 out of 10, it was solid.

I like the Red Hulk, granted it was only like five, seven minutes of it.

I wish we could have got more.

There's no chance we'll get more going forward unless they find a way to get that gamma radiation out of his blood.

But yeah, I enjoyed it myself.

Anthony Mackie did a solid job.

He wasn't amazing.

He wasn't bad.

He was in the middle.

I'm not mad about it.

Yeah, I would say for the script that he was giving, he did a decent job.

I don't know.

I just, it was just too much going on.

Do you feel like they could have kept the server society out of there?

Or kept them in there, but like reduced the role?

Well, they didn't need that.

I'm going to be honest.

They didn't need Gene Carlos coming back to fight him in that one scene when he was driving the truck.

That's what I'm saying.

They could have, like, he got away.

He can come back later on.

He didn't really need.

But it was kind of needed for him to be able to get the information he needed on the leader because he didn't really know a lot about him.

It was like he was thrusted in between the eternal story and Incredible Hulk.

So it's like he had to talk to these people to get an understanding of who everyone was per se.

How about you, Croco?

Okay.

Honestly, I'm split between Chef D and Tsmoov's answer in this one.

I definitely agree that it didn't feel, like, looking at thinking about it in more context, it didn't feel like a Captain America movie, which is something that both T and D did comment on, and I agree with them.

I'll be the third person to kind of throw my leg in that I did see that, and I did see a lot of people discussing and saying that same thing.

I do agree with a lot of T's points, though, in regards to the fact that there was a lot that was supposed to be covered.

It was more kind of like an explanation of what we should have gotten post-Eternals at an earlier point, but we didn't, so trying to do some kind of cleanup work there, while at the same time trying to do cleanup work for The Incredible Hawks here, which hasn't really gone anywhere.

They needed it, they just needed something to be done with that, because the Hawk is a big, is a huge character, is a huge marketing character, period.

So you got to try to figure out what you're going to do with that.

And I think they just, unfortunately, Anthony Mackie and the other members of this film had to kind of bear the weight of that, unfortunately.

I will say I'm kind of more on the T side.

I want to give it an eight.

I'll probably give it closer to a six or seven now with more thought.

And my biggest reason for that, again, leads kind of back into what Dee was saying.

You know, you make a movie about Captain America.

I think that you could have had, you could have, there definitely was room and potential with Anthony Mackie's Captain America for, and Sam Wilson, for us to have a grounded movie that was around Captain America, around Sam Wilson again.

And all we have to do is really look, if you want to go to the success of a Captain America, more grounded movie like that doing well, literally that's just been the entire history of the Captain America movies.

Every single one of them, outside of the first one, even the first one to some extent, but more so Winter Soldier and Civil War, you can do a great story with Captain America.

So that's a little disappointing.

But again, going back to what he said, which I do also agree with, they had a lot that they had to kind of make up for.

They're trying to figure out how to do that.

I was just overall happy that it was a more relaxed, chill, less comical MCU movie.

That part to me, the fact that it's just been different from what we've been getting for the last three, four or five years and almost a dozen films, less than that, but the sentiment is there.

The fact that it was less, or it was away from that, away from the Thor films that we've been getting, the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Deadpool, No Shots to Deadpool, the She-Hawks, if we go into series, just getting away from that.

It was able to do that.

I was cool with that.

One quick note before you go, Sage.

I would say, I guess they had to have so much in there because you look at Falcon, he has no rogue gallery that I know of.

When you got Steve Rogers fighting Red Skull, then fighting Bucky as a winter soldier, then in Civil War, and it's like Falcon, it's like, who is he going to fight?

What is he going to be doing?

As a Captain America, what would his movie even be about?

They're not going to have a rival Falcon, part of the Soviet Union or some shit.

Something Hydra related.

Yeah, something Hydra related, but I mean, looking at this film, it's like, damn, they're probably like, who are we going to have him even fight?

How are we going to flesh it out?

Yeah, and they probably couldn't be like, oh, let's have him fight Isaiah Bradley, because how would that be received?

If Isaiah Bradley was taking, if somebody took control of him, it'd be like Winter Soldier Part II all over.

They literally had to go with the Naruto effect in this movie.

That was my only biggest gripe.

I wish it was Betty that had to do the talking no jutsu to calm Red Hawk down, but they did it with Anthony Mackie.

I felt as though, like, that's what I was talking about last time when we had our episode.

Without spoiling, that was the one thing I despised.

It wasn't a, yes, I despised the power of friendship, but I don't like talking no jutsu.

I really don't.

It's one of my biggest gripes with Naruto.

Like, just throw the hands until somebody parishes.

But at the end of the day, it was needed because we all know he's not beating the Incredible Hulk or Red Hulk or Abomination or anybody of seen strength.

Even if he has the Vibranium Shield stuff.

Because even when he pushed back the Red Hulk, he was about to murk him until Talking No Jutsu monologue set in.

Look at the cherry blossoms.

Look at the cherry blossoms.

Hulk starts to calm down.

It wasn't like when Mark Ruffalo's Incredible Hulk, he had to get calmed down by Black Widow, someone that he loves, a female.

Like dad, like I felt like Betty should have like stepped in in that point.

I granted, I understand she could have been across the whole US of A when she had talked to Ross, but I don't care.

I felt like it would have been a little more sentimental to have her come over there and like, dad, I love you.

I see you making a change.

Let's go walk in, go see cherry blossom.

And she reaches out and grabs his hand and he starts to change back to General Ross or President Ross at this point.

Why ain't they just had a nigga jump in the water?

He was right there.

Oh, Ross.

Yeah, like why ain't Anthony Mackie just fly in the water, fly over the water?

He would have just kept her on a rampage.

He would have been like, not worried about you.

Yeah, probably.

I mean, we've seen him.

This is the first time we've seen Hulk really leap like this since Eric Banner's Hulk.

Yeah, absolutely.

I would say this, I would say Red Hulk, this is the scariest we've seen Hulk.

In Age of Ultron, he wasn't looking as scary.

This nigga looked like he was ready to kill Anthony Mackie.

He literally ran through a thick ass tree in the park.

Like, bro, he was really going crazy.

So I'm like, bro, this is probably the best iteration of Hulk we got.

Like you said, since Eric Banner Hulk.

I would say, yes, since Eric Banner Hulk and Edward Norton Hulk.

Because I'm like, bro, this great Hulk would give niggas a run for their money.

For real, for real.

Is my mic still tweaking?

You didn't talk long enough.

Yeah.

All right.

He did thunderclap like a portion of the White House, which was which was fire when I saw it.

But I think I'm more resounding.

I think it was all right.

No, you're my girl.

Yeah.

Is there like a noise gate or a noise filter on like the the noise gate?

Is it like too high?

Maybe.

This shit's tweaking, hello, hello.

Hello, hello.

Yeah, you're gonna have to say like a sentence because it cuts out like in the middle.

Test, test, one, two, three, test.

Yeah.

L-A-C-L-C-E is by the side.

Yeah, still doing it.

Um, while he's kind of working on that, uh, we, back, before we were talking about, is it working out?

Okay, he's still working on it.

Back, before this movie came out, I know that some of us had agreed that, you know, there was a lot of weight that was kind of running on this movie.

There was like a lot of pressure, like this has to be something that can kind of push us forward to bring some type of faith back into the MCU.

It seemed like it wasn't exactly the thrill that we thought it would be.

Again, for me, for T, it's more like, you know what?

It might not have been exactly what I wanted it to be, or as hyped as I thought it should have been.

But do you think that it was still enough for you to have faith in the MCU, or do you feel like it's still not enough and that fear still exists?

I feel like there's enough for the resurgence of the MCU, but we do have to understand a lot of the criticism comes from him being a Black Captain America.

I really have to take it into consideration.

A lot of the reviews I saw, that was really a driving point for people.

It's not Steve Rogers and it didn't work in the comics and didn't this and this.

I'm thinking about Anthony Mackie didn't do a bad job, but y'all can't get past the fact that he's being a Black Captain America.

And then when you see the movie, it's like, I really do think it's a good start or ending to phase five.

I don't even know what phase we're in.

But besides all the silly shit that we had before, the love and thunder and people did like the multiverse and madness.

I really care for it, but I feel like it is a break from that, like a breath of fresh air.

So I'm a little bored with it.

I agree.

Yeah, honestly, I agree with that.

Like, I'm like, look, if this is the start because you're just kind of like, okay, we actually trying to get scripting together better and we haven't been able to do that for a long time, then I'm okay with this movie, especially if like we get Thunderbolts as an example, and Thunderbolts is really good and it's blowing, which from everything that is at least so far, it feels like it may be a good movie in the MCU, like just a solid movie that maybe is unique and we haven't seen before, done by the MCU in terms of theme and in terms of vibe.

So if that movie ends up being good, you know, I think that that kind of puts us, it's keeping us in that trajectory of like, okay, because you can't really say at that point, oh, the MCU has only been releasing like, oh, terrible movies, because Deadpool was a success.

Captain America is the next movie up after that.

It seems like it's a success box office wise.

Seems like it's a success box office wise as well.

And then after that, if you got a successful Thunderbolt, Thunderbolt's movie, it's like, what reason do you really have to say, okay, the MCU is like completely losing it.

I know a lot of people still do have fears because they just don't feel like it was enough and they feel like Deadpool was a cheat code.

But at the end of the day, how you structure movies should also kind of be in play, right?

For like, if you have a successful runner, if you're starting to get something together, that's how we got the first Avengers in the first place.

Every movie during the first phase and second phases weren't like perfect.

They weren't all successes.

You think of like Thor, Dark World.

I think that was like, what was that phase one or phase two?

Phase two.

So like we've seen in the phases that we do like and that have built to other things that like every movie isn't necessarily like a knockout success.

But the fact of the matter is they were building towards something great and they had good things in the mix.

I was going to say like when we got the Captain Marvel movie that was sandwiched between those two Avengers films.

So I think some people are like, yo, Marvel does this like they got a good movie.

They put a movie that might not be doing as well between something else to build that excitement or just to tie people over.

Because once that Captain Marvel film came out, it was like this had no tie in to Infinity War.

It was just like, let's put this in to make like when you see that end credits scene, here she come in and then you get the end game.

And she shows up, but it was like her movie didn't really touch on that.

So I mean, people probably thinking like, what is this Captain America movie building to?

If we had to wait, if we waited since 2010 to get Thunderbolt Ross back in the fold and then to see the leader again, then we waited for what?

Since 2020, 2019?

Yeah.

To see this celestial even even mention in the news or anything.

And it's like, damn, like.

You were like, I think Marvel probably waiting a little too long to do to discuss some of this shit.

Yeah, no, I definitely get that.

I might have spoke too soon, because it seems like they're having an extreme drop of box office as of now.

It's like the third is like the third worst third most significant drop in the percent of films, the 78 percent.

God damn.

And the Ant-Man and Wives quantum has 68 percent.

They might hang that nigger.

Let's go.

It ain't good.

So the mic was better though, y'all can hear all of that?

No.

No, you keep.

What the fuck?

Yeah, yeah.

I was having hope.

We was like on a cloud praying for a second there, like, all right, maybe it would just snap.

No, no, no.

That was just restart my PC real quick.

Real quick.

Yo, right.

I got with the movie, bruh.

I got a few guys, but I'm not understanding the leader.

Like they kept saying stupid shit.

Like I knew you were going to show up.

It was a 77% chance you'd be here.

And it was a 27% chance if you turned your back, you would be on this side of the car.

I'm like, what are you talking about?

And then the leader-

Why do I need this stat?

Bro, they were like the leader, he's a master in calculations.

He's like, I knew you would show up to the base.

It was only a 22% chance that you would have locked the coat.

Nigga, I could have said that.

Show me what you've been thinking about for 17 years locked in his basement.

Oh, dude.

I'm like, you a genius.

I'm like, bro, you got gamma samples.

You sneaking gamma radiation into the president's bloodstream.

You do all this smart shit, and all people can say about you is he knows percentages.

And you talking about shit like a 16% chance you would throw your shield off the wall.

Like, nigga, shut the fuck up, dude.

Tell me something about your rage, your frustration.

Bro, the only bad thing you did in the movie was killed that husband and wife in their home to use their telephone.

Yeah, you couldn't feel none of his rage.

Bro, he was like a smartphone, Mario phone senator.

Who is that, honey?

Like, what is going on?

It was a lot.

Like, bro, it was a lot.

Y'all understand my frustration of how he got to that house and then how he got to the military base.

It's like he had to jump.

Like, he had to march in the rain.

Maybe it was close.

Nah.

That mean all that shit was down the street.

And this shit all happened.

Who he got helping him?

All this shit seemed to happen within like a three hour span, bro.

Yeah.

This nigga was.

Like, it would be like they driving on their way up to the next city.

And like, before they even get there, he already there.

And it's like, we left at the same time.

What flight you got?

What?

And if you got a flight that could get you there in 10 minutes, why you get captured?

You should have been able to get out of there faster than anybody could realize.

I do understand what you mean.

I got a nigger with green eyes and a bubbly head.

I don't like what they did with his head either.

That's one thing that I didn't like.

They couldn't give him the true.

They couldn't give him the true, like.

Why not?

You think of my head.

It's too, like, imagine trying to do the CGI for that.

And if it go bad, think about how much worse.

He's not even fighting.

If you see what they did with Modok.

Bare, bare, but, like, imagine if they did something like that again.

And people are red.

They already knew people, like you said, go before when Marvel made this movie, they already knew that the whole Black Captain America thing was going to turn people off before the movie even came out.

Every little detail that could have possibly made anything worse, they could not have left that out there for that to be taken advantage of.

They could not, bro.

It would have went terribly, like, bro.

You think about how you already feel.

Think about that drop off Sage just got done talking about.

Think about how much worse that would have been if they blew this dude's head up and it looked terrible.

That was, Jay was just like, we got to do a modest attempt with this.

Just something real, put this mask on.

It would be incognito, cause if your head was like on some Anunnaki shit, they would have been like, yo, flag the US.

Somebody out here, they got a scroll out here walking amongst us.

Yeah.

They got a scroll out here.

They missed one.

Not my America.

They missed one.

Thunderbolt Ross, you missed an alien.

Yeah.

All right.

It would have definitely been his critique.

God, I really do think Harrison Ford was like part of the best part.

I mean, Anthony Mackie was cool.

He was, I do agree with that.

His spices was pretty nice.

Yeah.

The nigger comedy was cool too, like when Isaiah Bradley jumped off the stairs and Anthony Mackie was like, oh hell no.

And that nigger was running down the stairs.

That's all.

He should have just took the serum on him.

You run at full speed and you're three miles behind Isaiah Bradley.

You know.

I'm gonna get a younger dude for that too.

I'm like, why y'all get this uncle bit-ass nigger?

That's how, that's how technically old he is.

He's supposed to be the same age as like Roger.

Yeah, close to.

But I think what they would have, what they could have done was when Falcon, spoiler alert, when Falcon went down, I would have liked to have seen Steve Rogers see that commencing, activate, I don't know, some shit that was going to fuck him up.

Now I got his face like my sister going in and out.

Is it going in and out?

It's actually pretty good.

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

But Steve Rogers go and instead pushes Falcon out, but he is severely.

And then that's what makes him taste type of thing.

I would have liked that to have had that to have.

Push him out where?

Push Falcon out the way before Falcon got that.

Got that what?

In everything.

He got sent to the hospital.

I can't remember what happened.

You're talking about when he was racing for the bomb.

Yeah, when he was racing for the bomb.

It started messing up again.

That's why we was having trouble trying to understand what he was talking about.

But he's talking about, okay, so when they were fighting with the fighter jets, the Japanese fighter jets, and they were trying to sink, basically, their Navy station, the US Navy station, or vice versa.

It might have been vice versa.

I don't know, it was a Japanese fighter planes.

The missile, they were trying to stop all of the missiles, and Falcon stopped one, and then Steve, not Steve Rogers, Sam Wilson's Captain America was telling Falcon to like, stop, no, don't do it, like chill out before you got there.

That's what he commented on, and you said-

Do you want Anthony Mackie to be the one in the hospital to bring back Steve Rogers?

To bring back the Falcon.

So no, and at that point, he gets severely injured, and then they have to use the serum type of thing.

Oh, so you're saying like, Falcon has to use it, or it's, or okay.

Falcon has to use it, or not Falcon, but Sam Wilson.

So you're saying like, it's the only way we could have kept you alive type shit?

Yep.

Okay.

I see what you did there.

He was getting washed in these fights.

It would have allowed for him.

I still liked how they portrayed the fights.

They showed it in a realistic aspect, and it kind of showed how smart and how cunning he is in a fighting man type of thing, to be able to do the feasts that he was doing while being just a regular ass nigga.

Yeah, I would say he's definitely a more strategic fighter.

I mean, he has to be.

He only got some type of body armor and shit, but I did want to see some winter soldiers shit.

We had Steve Rogers running through an office building with a shield and doing all types of shit.

That's true.

This nigga stopped the helicopter from flying away.

Come on now.

All right, so let's go on to the...

I want to...

Which one, which one?

We ain't hear nothing you said.

Yeah.

Invincible or Spider-Man?

Invincible.

All right, I'm about to restart my PC real quick.

Yeah, we'll start while he...

Dude, I do kind of prefer that he do something, because it's like, skip, skip, skip it.

Skip it.

Skip it.

Yeah, like, right, when it get...

When it's all scratched up, the disc all scratched up, and it just...

Oh, facts.

Was bad, yes.

Dang, you all...

You all...

You all over me.

Because my memory of that is so small.

The fact that you pulled that out.

You said, this is before Target.

Oh yeah, I remember that.

That went for a while, that went for a while, though.

Yeah, that went for a very long, I remember that.

Mega.

You, oh, you, oh, I don't remember that.

Yeah, I don't remember the Nintendo.

Nintendo's in the display disc.

PS1.

I remember PS2.

I remember PS2, Xbox.

GameCube.

I remember GameCube.

Yeah.

GameCube was in there for a minute, but it was because Nintendo didn't have.

Next, bro, that's how it was.

What about, remember they had them at Tops and Wegmans?

And them little play pens?

In their kids' sections, be there all fucking day seemed like.

All day.

Might be done grocery shopping.

You like, you know.

Bro, the Crash Bandicoot shit, the Sonic.

Yeah.

Roberto.

Yeah, let's talk about Invincible.

No.

Media.

That was what Tarzay was before Tarzay.

I used to go to Circuit City just to look at CDs.

Yes.

It was so much.

It was like legit, like a little record store.

You like what?

It was fire.

The set up was fire back in the day.

They had Beats headphones like with the first iteration.

This is no Apple.

This is the first iteration.

They would have the Beats headphones at the tail end of it, but they would have stuff like that in the radios, like kind of up front in the games and whatnot, kind of near the kiosk up front.

But then lining the wall was the, all of these CDs.

And it's like, yo, y'all really gotta.

They got caught.

They got gone quick as hell, too.

The one over by the Sam's Club.

Mm-hmm.

Quick.

Quick as shit.

Media Play was my joint, though.

Cause they had the chairs.

They had the chairs up front.

Yeah.

As soon as you walk in the store.

Oh, I'm sitting down in this.

You can go through the whole store.

You can make a day out of it.

It's like chilling in your house.

I used to love that.

What the hell happened to the good old days, man?

Toys R Us was fire when we was kids.

Maybe it was just cause we was kids.

You said it's what?

You know what else was fire?

This is a major sidetrack.

Fucking Cahunaville.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yes.

Oh, that was Nair.

We'll talk about that spot to this day.

That was the he's not wrong.

That was the spot.

And the Galleria had arcade.

God damn.

Yes.

Hell, yeah.

Yup.

Mm-hmm.

Good times, good times.

You said the last episode was Heat?

Invincible.

It was damn near the calmest one out of the couple ones.

Yeah, I would agree with that.

Yeah, calmest one.

I would agree with that.

Yeah, that's true, that's true.

Now, I mean, I would say that, cause I was wondering, I'm like, bro, if he get his ass whooped one more time, I'll be pissed.

But the dragon was like damn near indestructible, because you had to fight the nigga that was sleeping.

So I thought that.

And I like that they building up the teamwork with him and Adam Eve.

And I guess they building up like these teams, like we all know shit about to go to hell soon.

So I guess they trying to build up like, oh, look, everybody's, you know, like in the.

Rex is shrinking, right?

They like in the Adam, even invincible, they like in all these different dynamics.

So I guess they just building up to tear it down, you know.

They doing it for a reason.

Yeah, every role with him has been very smart, and I do appreciate that, because they don't normally put a black character in a role like that, where they can be highlighted for their intelligence.

So I really, I just appreciate the entire character for that, because it's like, you just don't see that often.

And shout out to Invincible for doing that.

Even if it was a guy that's kind of like a villain, still, we don't get that enough, so I shout out to them for that.

A villain, yeah, he like tiptoe.

Yeah, he kind of tiptoe.

Machine head.

Right.

Yeah, that was crazy.

But and the thing is, he don't take very kindly to when people would threaten his family, which led to him to do everything that he did to drag and do.

But when it came from Machine or Machine Head, he was like, OK, nope, not going to mess with you.

You got it.

You know, one thing they got to get right is the power scaling.

Like, I understand things have to go.

I agree.

In a certain in a certain way for the story to unfold.

Like, how did Mark lose this nigger in a sewer?

Mark can fly faster than the speed of sound.

This nigger was running with Tim's on and beat Invincible.

I'm like, bro, like, if y'all going to do that, like just have him blend into the crowd automatically.

Don't have him do with no extra shit, because now it's like.

It feels like episode one, all that training was for Nod.

You got this nigger being outsmarted by regularized civilians.

I think that's on Invincible, though.

He's still wet behind the ears, per se.

Bro, how wet behind the ears can you be?

He done fought three Viltrumites.

Listen, he's so wet behind the ears that this next fight, we all know, isn't even his worst fight with the individual.

He gets to the point where he's so wet behind the ears, still, where he gets his manhood taken from him.

Spoiler alert.

Spoiler alert.

I mean, that's true, but it's like, bro, that's different in a comic than in a fucking TV series.

You got, like, we done had two seasons of a nigga wet behind the ears.

This was season three, and he's still wet behind the ears.

And I was just about to ask that, if they ended it with him, because it takes a while.

If you think about it with the comic, it takes a minute though.

Like, he really get into the Viltrumite fight before he start, like, really wisening up.

Spoiler alert, but, like, when they start...

I feel like when Oliver start to get older and he got, like, his own family and whatnot, it's, like, around that time that you really start to see Mark making the proper, like, steps of maturity and, like, okay, how do we go about this situation?

We can't just have this.

And he, like, really, he leaders up.

I don't, how do y'all, how would y'all feel?

Like, think about it, that's pretty deep in a series if it were to be at that point.

I definitely see where you're coming from with that, but it's like, bro, that's a comic.

That's, you can read that faster than how they pumping out episodes.

Once you got people interested in animation and all of this, it's like, at some point, you gotta start ramping it up, like, make him, like, make him mature a little faster, because if three seasons, you ain't that nigga, it's like, yo, my nigga, now I gotta wait another year and then hope and hope in that next season, season four.

I bet you'll see it.

Yeah.

I do agree.

I do agree with the frustration there.

And to your point, you just made me think about something.

You're right, because, like, cinema, like, not just cinema, but, like, motion art has drama to it.

Like, you have drama to it.

And in this case, the drama that needs to be injected is how this guy can move on to become an efficient leader.

And I, like, yo, I agree.

Do you go?

That's why I was, that's really why I'm, like, kind of nervous about that one aspect, because I'm, like, is he, like, would a series, I don't know where they're going to end it at, or if it'll get everything.

But, like, it's kind of got me worried, because we, in season four right now?

Season three.

Season three?

So, like, if they said six seasons, how would his maturity and him growing up, like you're saying, and him coming into that leadership role, how would, like, that play out, if it's only three more, if it only were to be three more seasons?

I think...

And how, mm-hmm.

I think how they're gonna do it, based off of how he's been engaged in these couple of seasons, he's really tried to flesh out, I guess, a Mark and an Eve relationship, really tried to flesh both of the characters out, gave Eve her own special, all of this jazz.

And once it gets, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert.

If you do not want to know what's gonna happen at the end of this season, click off the video right now.

All right?

Gave you enough warning.

When the nigga fights Conquest, we have to remember Conquest kills Eve, technically at that point.

And then she revives herself with her powers.

I feel like because they've been pushing, or because the author has been pushing their relationship so much, and that connection that Mark has been gathering with Eve this season so far, it's going to push him towards that point just a little bit quicker than what we've seen in the comics.

Hopefully at least.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay, some of these battles now, we might see a different Mark at hand because he's seen a shardy get killed by these niggas.

Doesn't Nolan come back to at that time?

With Alan the Alien?

Or was that before they even showed up?

That was right after, spoiler alert.

Right after the nigga fought all of his clones.

No, I thought only man come back to earth after the Invincible War?

I thought it was way after, after that.

I thought it was after Conquest and all of that.

I thought he came back during Conquest, my bad.

So he doesn't come back during Conquest.

It's just him and Alan.

Is it either the second time they have Conquest?

Yes.

The first time they have Conquest and Mark kills him, that's what Cecil shows in the body, but then Conquest escapes.

Then Mark doesn't even know that Cecil lied to him until he sees Conquest in space and he's like, what the fuck?

Then they go back to earth because then Omni-Man gets set up on the moon, like he's on the moon.

To your point though, if they pivoted from the comic book and was able to push Mark's maturity from that point, I would be cool with that because again, to these point, we got to start getting the ball moving on this.

I don't know how fast they're going to have the pacing of this in the seasons that's to come.

I don't know how fast the story is going to be told.

I don't even know how much of the story is going to be told.

So, I do agree, this would be the perfect time, Sage, for them to do it, it's right at the end of this season.

Because we can't keep doing erratic emotional mark, with the threat that's looming.

And that's-

He really could be all over the place.

He could be all over the place.

Like if he react to that situation with Conquest and Adam Eve the same way he did with his mom, right?

That's not really showing the same maturity.

It's like at what point are we gonna get him being like that, like that leader, like what we know happens at the end of the series and what Mark becomes, especially to the universe, what Mark becomes to the universe, right?

Like he got to start showing that he has that aspect of himself in him.

And like Dee said, like, you know, it's a television show.

So a lot of these, the emotions and the things that you have to convey, you got to do those things a little bit differently than you do in a comic.

I can feel you.

Hopefully, I don't know.

I was just hovering over the episode titles and the screens or the images that they show to promote it.

Yeah.

I think this motherfucker is going to do a nice turnaround.

Both of these actions behind, back to back, it's going to have to push him towards a role of maturing.

And does my mic sound good finally?

Yeah.

Oh, thank God.

Okay.

Imagine I just say that.

All right.

But Invincible, that was a cool episode for y'all.

I'll play a little role.

I'm in a little role type of...

Yeah, it's cool.

It's cool.

Sorry.

It was kind of like the first four episodes of the last season.

Yeah.

I do agree with Dito.

I'm getting spoiled by this solo leveling pacing.

So it's kind of like I'm looking at it and I'm just like, it ain't no right.

Yeah.

Crazy.

Bro, that's all I'm saying.

I'm like, bro, solo leveling.

I thought it was going to be a little bit more drawn out.

Like we get the interaction with him and the other hunters and him and his sister and her friend or whatever.

But it's like, yo, the way these fights going, the way the story is pacing afterwards, they're skipping a lot of the bullshit filler, but it still feels like they remained faithful to it.

Invincible, they add an extra shit.

What are y'all doing?

But to see, that's where they're trying to do the drama side.

But to your point, I would much rather see things cater to Mark's maturity as opposed to some of the extra stuff that we have seen.

At this point, I feel like Oliver is stronger than that nigger Mark, bro.

To hell with all that holding back shit.

We see Oliver come in the first day on the job.

He punched the nigger head off and flew through a nigger's spine on day one.

He's not even a full 10-year-old.

That's what you get for being the bad guy.

I wish Oliver killed Oliver.

Early day man.

And that one scene at the park, and he just passed the niggas, I'm like, nah, he should have left his money head off.

For real.

Damn.

Yeah, I was too.

Yeah.

It would have flipped everything for Oliver.

Oh, facts.

Yeah.

Erratic, emotional Mark, I'm to believe that he is right.

You right.

Because all he got to do is see some shit, and he starts screaming.

Yeah, but he pointed, and that's the point, he pointed too many fingers.

He don't stop his face.

No, but hold on, hold on, hold on.

Y'all gotta give Mark a little bit of credit on how this nigga has been treating Cecil, this whole entire season.

He's been grabbing that nigga by his neck every time he's seen that nigga.

I think it's irresponsible.

I agree with that.

I think that first, what was it, like the first episode or one of the first episodes where we saw him trying to train to combat the Viltrumites.

That's what he should have really been doing with Cecil.

He should have put them emotions behind and said, look, we're going to have to meet a common ground.

And that common ground is we know there is a looming threat that will be back, and we need to make sure that I am optimal to face this threat.

Bro, think about this, y'all.

From when he got his ass whooped by Anissa, them niggas said he trained so hard.

Cecil said, would he be able to beat the female Viltrumite?

Donald said, we think so.

Not even 100 percent certainty.

You're supposed to stay working.

He losing the Doc Seismic.

He losing the fucking bank robbers.

He can't stop the Mahler Twins.

He can't beat niggas stealing the Declaration of Independence.

Dragon's messed him up.

Bro, Anissa flew through a Kaiju in one blow and then did a speed burst to get the blood off her and then beat this nigga ass.

And this said, somebody worse than me coming.

And this nigga worried about buying an apartment with his.

You know, if you live on this, that nigga as a superhero, you are screwed.

We got is Cecil to do some some savage shit.

Honestly, like I agree with that.

Yeah, because you got this nigga talking about some.

Yeah, we finna move out.

Nigga, what they finna do?

Mom, I need a house.

Do you know what's coming, bro?

Like you was told you act like you were like lost that part of your memory.

You know what's coming, bro.

You got to like, you need a little, you need that see-saw attitude.

Even if you don't like it, I'm not saying you got to like it, but you need that type of like, we gotta be, we gotta be like Seal Team Six and I'm Seal Team Six.

I'm not, you're the entirety of Seal Team Six.

If those, if these Viltrumites come back to earth, you gotta lock in.

You can't like be worried about, ooh, is Eve gonna be my girlfriend?

And why is mom dating this person?

And Oliver can't use his powers yet.

Like you can't be worried about this stuff, bro.

Like you got problems.

You got problems, bro.

You know what my issue is though?

It's like the Gohan effect.

He should be training, but he's worried about other stuff.

Bro, he should have never stopped training.

And can y'all blame Cecil for what he's been doing though?

Well, because he knows things can hit the fan.

And he just like, look, I got to save the planet.

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

Mark is like, you see Mark and you like, yo, but you choked Cecil out twice.

Your brother killed somebody.

Cecil let y'all niggas slide.

Like granted they was villains.

It was like they were civilians, but your brother killed two people.

Your dad leveled them near half of downtown Chicago.

Like my nigga, like you should be training.

And I can't trust your ass.

If like, bro, I'm on Cecil's side.

I had to find the weakness for y'all niggas.

He didn't even tell Mark.

The first time we met your dad, we knew he was a lion ass nigga.

He didn't even tell him that.

He like, your dad lied to my face soon as I met him.

So I couldn't even trust your family, bro.

Like, we gotta keep tabs on y'all.

Your brother done ran, obliterated one dude head pause and then ran through the rib cage of another.

And you telling me, oh, I'm just not supposed to prepare for that going crazy.

Well, if I'm pushing that button in his head, that's what they're coming off.

Staying on.

Yeah, we'll keep that shit on for about a week.

Yeah.

You ready to train?

No.

What is that?

Why don't they have that nigga training?

He don't want to and they don't want to make him upset.

I mean, like on his own, you would think like, because he marked, he immature erratic mark right now.

That's why he not training.

The world could be dying.

The world could be dying and Mark going to be worried about what flowers to buy out of me.

It's a problem.

That's the problem.

This bitch could have made 10,000 roses.

He like.

I need to pick 10, it's grow up, bro.

Like the world, look what your dad did.

Look at what the world is left with.

Look like you just come and you worried about the dumbest of things.

Think about this shit, y'all boys.

This nigga Invincible is the strongest nigga on the planet.

Strongest, fastest, whatever.

We seen the nigga Rex Blow spark it off with everybody.

Rex Blow took on these dragon niggas.

Yep.

He got a new hand.

He took on the Declaration niggas.

Multi Paul.

He took on the reanimin when he was attacking them.

Like bro, he got the most heart on the team.

And he's probably the weakest nigga out there.

Yeah.

And he supposed to what Mark supposed to be, he acting more like and what you would expect Rex to act like is really what Mark is acting more like.

Yes.

Because like when you think about it, like think about right now, where we at in this in the season, they left because of the corruption and everything with CISO.

They left the, what is it?

The Guardians, they left that, but they still in the fight.

They went and got a little basement.

It don't even got lights.

They barely got a table.

They losing their mind, but they still in the fight.

They still in the fight.

Meanwhile, Mark is sitting on the rooftop every episode, staring at the stars.

Bro, I hate this nigger.

Yeah, Rob, I don't know.

They better shape up.

I asked for it.

Who should we ever see in our lives?

I think it's just a slow week with a slow episode, and these next couple of episodes will be like, even though this nigger Mark is still getting his ass whooped, he's still serviceable enough.

That's awesome.

Well, I do agree.

The next fight is like a real, it's a fight.

It's a real fight.

So that should help him.

And that should kind of quell some of the training aspects with Mark.

Sage, I just really like what you said about they use the TV show and the situation that happens at the end of this season to shape Mark's maturity.

Because again, it would just be a really good time for that to happen.

If he go back to wanting to figure out the perfect flowers to get Eve, to sit in the middle of a street and have a date with her again.

These people came from the future and told him like, yeah, bro, the world, the future is messed up.

We need you now.

And he was like, no.

He can't be doing that, bro.

He can't be doing that.

Don't you see I'm on a date?

He in a date on the middle of the street.

He in the middle of the street.

Well, look, cheap table.

Saying no.

Saying no.

I'm on a date.

He can't do that.

They said, all right.

They said, he don't understand.

We just about to fly through him into this portal.

Imagine all the people that would have been saved if Batman just would have killed Joker from the get-go.

But then we wouldn't have a series.

They wouldn't have, but still, imagine all the people.

But I don't think that nigger do get stronger though.

Think about it, after he got out of Conquest, he still get R-worded.

He still do get stronger.

I think she's been getting stronger as well though.

But Nissa, how's she getting stronger?

That whole thing about to be crazed.

But Mark has a rebuild body.

You can forget that.

In his fight with Conquest, his body is either that fight or a different fight.

But I believe E's like healed him to a point where he was even stronger.

So if you fight in Conquest and beat him and he's stronger than a Nissa, that shit shouldn't have even happened.

I think the hundreds of years of battle experience is something that isn't talked about enough in this series.

Facts, because they did say she was faster than Ommi Man too.

They're like, she moved faster than Ommi Man.

We can't even keep a track.

All of that stuff come into play.

That's why Battle Beat, dude, with some weak no-name Viltramite, we saw Battle Beast having to throw hands.

It was his last chance to possibly survive.

And that's what the weak is.

That nigga was bricked up at the side of battle.

He said, battle?

Oh, wait, what?

But think about it, that's a little no-name Viltramite.

And he was fighting.

And we know who Battle Beat is going to fight.

If there's no Viltramites, I'm going to start fighting you.

I'm going to say, hold up.

He wanted to fight.

He wanted to fight.

He was like, nah.

At this point, this nigga, I don't think an alien could just solo the whole show because he just ain't nothing fucking with that nigga.

Yeah, he...

Nah, it's going to be some that fuck with him.

It's going to be some.

My thing is, what killed me, my man getting beat down by the Viltramite, then Nolan steps in, he was like, wait, you could have laid there and took a couple more.

He's like, yeah, I had to pretty much put it on think so that you can step up and actually start fighting.

His development, it do seem like it's a little fast, but I could be mistaken because I haven't read the series in a long term time.

That nigga Allen the Alien was beaten to a pulp though.

Got the brakes beat off him right after he got some ass too.

Mark knew about that?

I don't think so.

Yeah, see, he needed to know about how his dad got captured and how Allen got...

I don't know about his dad getting captured, but I think...

He knows that his dad got captured.

Oh, he does, right?

Allen the Alien came down at some point in time.

Does he know about Allen getting beat up like that to where he was like putting?

I think he did show up where he was.

I think, bro, I don't know.

I don't know.

Mark is a little special day because didn't he go to go find Nolan right after he got better?

Because it wasn't that what the yeah.

So Mark didn't know about that.

Mark needed to know about that.

I think if he had known Allen got beat to putting, he would have probably been like, all right, see, so I'm going to need to, we're going to have to train like Kobe, LeBron, Jordan, one.

Be like put.

But he says, he said, your father is scheduled for execution.

And I don't think Mark has been like, yo, I've got to go find my dad.

Nothing.

But I don't think they touched on that shit at all.

But he's like, your father will be given for execution.

It's like, he was like, I need a girlfriend.

Took his brother, went to Earth, got his bitch.

He's like, well, dad did enough harm.

I don't care.

What is going on?

Mark is, I don't know.

I'm starting to like the big figure.

Whether I like, whether I like though, how Mark was written is probably gonna come down to if what Sage says happens or not.

If what Sage says happens and he's able to mature, even if it's after the situation with Anissa, if he happens to have a change where we have a noticeable level of maturity, happen with Mark, which that would even be an okay point because something like that happened to you, that's probably a solid point for him to be like looking at life a little bit differently.

That would be fine with that.

But if he doesn't, like if all of that stuff still happens and he's sitting on the roof kissing Adam Eve, I'm gonna be like, something wrong with him.

He not, something ain't right.

He got hit in the head too hard.

He got CTE.

He got Viltramite CTE.

Oh, he got that, Antonio Brown.

This nigga Oliver be changing up his costumes too?

Damn, hold on.

Yeah, I might have to reread this shit.

Another spoiler question.

I got a question too.

I got it, speaking, this is about Oliver too.

Spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert.

Even though it really shouldn't be a spoiler alert if you've been paying attention to the series, but I'll still say spoiler alert.

Does next season, do he age up a little bit more?

Like, do we see him as a...

That'll happen for sure next season.

Yeah, cause last season we seen him as a baby.

Now he like an eight year old.

Next season, he damn they're gonna be like a six year old.

Young Omni man.

Yeah, he gonna be like Mark's age.

Right.

That definitely, but like in terms of how it went in the comic, that definitely should happen next season.

So like after Conquest Battle, we saw, he like grew up.

Yeah, for sure.

Okay, okay.

Cause I was trying to figure that out when I was watching it.

Cause I mean, with his flaxen, Yeah.

Physiology, I think that's the word.

It's like he'll grow up to be, cause what?

They only live for like what, six weeks?

Yeah, but his Viltrumite DNA slows it down, but it still is in effect for while he's younger, which is why he's getting powers and everything faster than Mark did, cause it just kind of super speeds everything up, but it does slow down, which we see.

Dang.

Okay.

I'm teenage.

I'm not going to lie to you, teenage Oliver era in not just specifically him, but just the time when he was a teenager, I'm excited to see that get animated and then him as an adult as well, cause he do play a part towards a huge part down on that off world art.

Yeah.

Oh, I was so disappointed.

Oh, I might have to reread this again, too.

All right.

That's all I got.

All right.

Real quick, we can.

I don't know if you want to.

Spider-Man.

We never did Spider-Man, did we?

Yeah, Spider-Man.

No, we never did it.

Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, it has just wrapped up.

Real quick, my thoughts, Jeff Trumbull, if I'm not mistaken, or Trumbull.

I think it's Jeff Trumbull.

He is the actual writer and creator of this show.

Black Man, we greatly fucking appreciate you.

Marvel, this is who y'all put y'all money behind.

Bar none, my nigga.

Stop fucking around and getting these fucking dweebs that you think are the dweebs that we need, nigga.

We need these dweebs, all right?

Get it together.

I'm sorry if dweebs is a slur to y'all.

It's a term of endearment for me, okay?

I'm a dweeb as well.

But we need Jeff Trumbull, because his way of telling a new story from a different perspective with fresh and exciting characters, it was a breath of fresh air.

Y'all can go ahead.

I'm not gonna lie to you.

I'm not gonna lie to you, just kind of thinking about what you just said, because you made me think of a greater point between Black Panther, X-Men 97, and your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.

I think it might, yo, like, I don't usually get this bold, but hire more black people.

Hire more black people.

They do a decent job in the MCU.

It's just the truth.

Like, it's just, it's really the truth.

Some of the best met material we've seen out of the MCU has come from black people.

Just maybe go get some black nerds.

Get more of them.

They're making solid stuff.

And who's the number one black nerd?

Comics explain.

That's a fact.

Yeah, bro.

Like, like, like y'all said, like at first, I really the one not saying I, but I was like, I don't know if I'm like it, but now it's like, okay, like, damn, the artwork is actually a is actually a pretty good show.

Like, I mean, here we have Bo DeMaio.

So I think we can say we know what the fuck we're doing.

It's just like, don't just don't just wait for no Black Panther shit or no Miles Morales shit to hire us.

Like, bro, we comics just as just as much as y'all.

Yeah, it was.

And the thing is, it was phenomenal.

I love how they did the story.

I know that's really like my biggest thing.

Like, I really will leave a lot of other things like I'll let there.

I'll let a lot of things pass if a story is just written really well.

And for what they did in this first season, to introduce the characters they did, to have them to have us ushering in what they were ushering in for more seasons down the line.

Lonnie, Tombstone, Lonnie Walker, whatever his last name was.

Yeah.

To introduce him the way that they did was great.

To have, we know that Doc Ock is out there.

Niko has her own role, which I like, Saig, I think you had told me before that she had powers and whatnot.

But to see how they hinted at that with the locket, I didn't even notice that till the end, but you had told me that that happened.

For them to be able to sneak that in there, be able to have that character in that role.

The one thing that I was kind of worried about with this series was, are we gonna get more of a role from Harry?

Right at the end, we have Harry starting what looks like is gonna be a future foundation.

Because remember, this isn't the same MCU as the traditional MCU or anything even from the comic book.

A lot of things are different.

So what it looks like he's building is gonna be a future foundation instead of it being Reed Richardson and Fantastic Four that start the future foundation.

So to have a story where you have Harry Osborn start the future foundation, we don't know what can come from that.

We don't know if he possibly would end up being in a goblin role.

We don't know what can come out of that.

Then on top of that, to have Norman at the end, we knew that he was already building the goblin equipment.

But now he has the symbiote.

We know he wanted the spider with Spider-Man, but we saw how that loop went phenomenal, how they did that little butterfly effect type of role play where they had the spider that bit Spider-Man.

You know, we saw how it happened from something that happened in the future.

I thought they did a great job with that, but the spider is no longer there, as we know, because it bit Peter Parker.

But the venom symbiote does come into play.

So it makes you wonder, in this unique universe, are they possibly going to do...

What's the...

No.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

But this ties in to know Norman Osborn's grandson, Normie, he was a venom goblin in the comic book.

So what I'm wondering is, are they going to, since this is his own thing, are they going to make Norman Osborn, Normie's role, where it's a venom goblin?

It's not just a goblin.

And that would be unique.

And to have somebody like Norman Osborn in that role would be crazy.

Because if you have, if they take a more savage venom, right, and they have him going to Norman Osborn, that can, if it's more like a carnage-y venom, like the original venom, that was more like violent and evil, that could play the same or a similar role that the Goblins' multiple personality kind of has.

So, like, I'm just, I'm very impressed, very, very, very impressed by this.

You still have people that we haven't seen too much from.

Dr.

Connors, we know we'll get more of that in season two.

Amadeus, the idea of Amadeus Cho being there, and he's now integral to the Oscorp.

So, to be able to see what maybe, what type of role we get out of Amadeus Cho, I do believe when Amadeus Cho was first introduced, he was more of a villain.

So, we may be able to get that, like, original Amadeus Cho feel from this series.

It's from, like, that, I, that, that was done so well.

They got to get that dude, Jeff Tramiel.

They have got to get him to do stuff for the MCU, because that's how you start, of, like, you could do a movie, you could do series from that, you could do movies from that, you could set up an Avengers from that.

And that's just from Spider-Man and the Spider-Verse.

They, like, that is how you do it.

That's how you set up those pieces.

So I hope we see more of that, but yeah, I get, honestly, I do.

For everything that that Spider-Man set up, I give it a 10 out of 10.

Let me look up that venom, too, while whoever go next.

Well, my thing is, I like how this show really expounded upon the side characters.

Not Pearl, per se, but Niko, usually the best friend of Spider-Man, takes a backseat.

They actually gave Niko an actual role in this.

We know that she has those special abilities, even when she like caught her mom from the locket in that moment.

I think it was near the end of the last episode.

And actually show, like, you see the character development with Niko and Harry Osborn, because she didn't like him at first for being so daggone popular.

But then once she really got to know who he truly was, she became friends with him and really understood him and see that, like, he wasn't using Peter just for like clout or anything, or Peter wasn't using him for clout.

It was a genuine friendship.

I like how Norman Osborn, with the idea, like, going forward, us talking about it with him being Venom or Goblin Venom, that will kind of really play a role because he does know Peter's identity.

He knows the people that he hangs around.

He knows his loved ones.

He knows everybody.

So that's going to really push buttons for Peter going forward.

Hey, real quick, real quick.

Yep.

Jeff Trammell on his Twitter already has teased Gwen Stacy will be in season two.

They already have been greenlit for three seasons of this bit.

And I believe they already have skins of Gwen Stacy having her Spider Gwen outfit on as well.

Is this Gwen Stacy through the multiverse or the Spiderverse?

Gwen Stacy within this specific universe of this show.

It's a unique universe.

Yep, it's a unique universe.

It's still went away.

Remember, it went into somebody's bookbag after a bit Peter.

Oh, yep, yep, yep.

So it's been on the loose this whole entire time.

We just never seen Gwen Stacy.

So maybe she's bitten by that same spider.

Maybe they give her that role as well.

My bad for cutting you off, though.

I just wanted to...

I just was on this Twitter.

I really especially like Lonnie's character development for him because of Tombstone because I was not expecting that.

I really was not.

I thought he probably would have got killed or something in the end.

Like what they usually do with most of these characters that actually have a good upbringing, a good background, just thrown in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I thought he would have had a realization, yeah, this ain't for me.

And he ended up getting...

I thought he was going to get killed by Scorpion, maybe once or twice in different situations.

So I like how we see him becoming Tombstone.

I kind of didn't like how Big Don just ran off.

Like that was...

You just left the homies hanging like that.

That's how the nigga was the whole time though.

He preyed on his little brother and then made that nigga join the gang.

Oh yeah.

He was a little bitch from the get go.

I get that, I get that.

Overall, I like how they made a lot of similarities with the MCU, with some of the things that's occurring, especially that first episode where he walked through and it was similar to the, I think it was the first Spider-Man homecoming where Iron Man showed up, not Iron Man, Tony Stark showed up in his living room.

Oh yeah.

And it was cool because you know, it's a different universe and they're actually tying in the animated universe with the MCU or the Spider-Verse since a-

Yeah, it's like playing homage.

Yeah.

Playing homage.

So overall, like I give this season a 10 out of 10.

So they were solid with everything that they did.

What about you D?

No, sir.

I liked it.

I probably didn't give it a rate out of 10.

So yeah, put up there with a 10 out of 10 with Nino and T.

10 out of 10 across the board.

That's saying a lot.

That's the first 10 out of 10, I believe, we've ever made across the board.

No, we had another one, but it's the second one.

And I think it's the first MCU one.

First MCU one?

What's the first one?

It had to be, I feel like it was probably Solo Leveling Season One.

Oh, probably, most likely.

Yeah, Solo Leveling Season Two, that might knock that shit out the water right now.

Let's get another 10 out of 10.

This is going to be first and third.

It's a couple of different topics we can go off of real quick.

I know Sony indefinitely delays Beyond The Smarterverse.

I don't know if we touched upon that topic, but Sony's just been in the garbage at this point in time right now.

Dragon Ball Daima, Garbanzo Beans.

Dragon Ball Daima real quick.

I don't know if y'all have been keeping up, but a whole lot of shit.

I was about to say Kishimoto.

Toriyama is just dropping from his grave.

Super Saiyan, we got Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta, this past in his adult form.

This past episode, we got Goku going Super Saiyan 3 in his adult form.

They're going to Super Saiyan 4.

So they're not babies no more?

Nope.

They're not babies anymore.

My bad, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad.

Oh, my bad, spoilers.

Who is that?

I can't see the name.

That's Coleray.

Shout out to you guys for the spoilers.

Interrupt Sage to say shout out, and then he's, I can't read it, though.

It's so small that I'm seeing them put spoilers.

Damn, my bad.

That was good.

I need to check that.

Come back, Coleray.

Come back, Coleray.

Yeah.

He's like, damn, that's spoilers.

I just get in here.

I literally just get in here.

They spoiling something.

I walked in the door, and they pretty much like got...

No, it is one part in this episode that is probably the funniest Dragon Ball content that I've seen in my life.

And it's regarding Vegeta and Boma.

That's all I'm gonna say.

Leave it alone.

That's all I'm gonna say.

Leave it alone, don't spoil it.

It's the funniest thing ever.

That was funny.

It was, but how y'all feeling real quick?

Y'all thoughts?

Uh, non-spoiler.

Non-spoiler, my bad, non-spoiler.

I've seen spoilers for this, and it didn't really bother me that I didn't fully watch Daima all the way through, because it's so slow in the beginning, just a slow burn before you get to the action.

So I'm still gonna finish it.

I'm trying to wait on it to go dub, because I know they're in the midst of getting that together, but I might just rush through the sub as quickly as possible, because I gotta sit there and really pay attention.

Seeing everything from the spoilers and the action, and that scene with Vegeta and Bulma, I'm not gonna lie, all the memes from it, that's like the ultimate meme.

Yo, he's down bad.

If you know, you know.

He's down bad, that's all I gotta say.

He's not down bad, that is a perfectly, no, that is an understandable individual, don't spoil it.

Because if he wasn't, he would have never reacted the way he reacted.

We're not gonna spoil it.

That's what I'm saying.

If he wasn't down bad.

We would all do that in the same situation.

Depending on who it is.

All of us, all of us, all of us.

Depending on who it is, depending on who it is.

What does he do?

I need to know now.

No, we're not gonna do that for Correa.

We'll tell you after.

Yeah.

Um, it was, it's a great little, I thought I was gonna hate it.

I honestly thought I was not gonna like it.

The first couple of episodes, I was like, um, this, like, I know Toriyama wanted to just do some, like, fun kiddie thing, you know, it's a child's show and program initially.

So he, you know, I'm like, okay, maybe he just trying to kind of get more back to the roots of like the original series and kind of give something to the older fans.

He did that, but he did it in a way where as an older fan of watching it, it's solid.

It's very reminiscent of Dragon Ball.

It very much is.

T, you said that it was really slow.

And the funny part is that was kind of how I felt about Dragon Ball at times is that there was things that was dragged out.

There was things that took a lot of time.

So I really felt like this series just really went back to the core and I'll explain what I mean by that a little bit further.

When we do, it's not a spoiler to say, because we saw it in the trailer, like we get like the smaller Goku, right?

That's something that's kind of like common knowledge for anybody for Daima.

I'm not, if you've seen a poster for Daima, then you know that it's a smaller Goku at the very least.

When we get that miniature version of Goku, right?

And then you pair him, there's other characters, there's new characters, it's kind of brought into the fold as well, but they literally pair him with a Bulma.

When you really think about it, they pair him with Bulma in the same light that they did, Bulma and Dragon Ball.

And when I started to kind of grasp that, I was like, you know what, this is, it's like this series is the one that Toriyama was trying to do to give that homage to the original Dragon Ball.

Um, bring in, you know, even some of the elements, like the things that's used without spoiling too much, though it's hard to do.

It's hard, it's a little hard.

I'm sorry, Colerad, it's a little hard for some of it.

But like even some of the pause, some of the, Oh, because I'm trying to like be careful with my words.

I don't spoil, but some of some of the references of some of the items that we see just in the series.

Right.

Like some of the items are things that came straight from Dragon Ball.

And it's nice to, it's just good to see that.

Like if anybody saw the original Dragon Ball, if anybody really was like became a fan more so on the original Dragon Ball more than Z, there's a lot of elements of that, that you start, that you get in the beginning, including that slow burn and such.

The other thing though is that I really like about the series is, it's not just an homage to Dragon Ball.

It also still brings in elements from Dragon Ball Z, things that we either were left off at or things that we had came to enjoy and embrace from the Dragon Ball Z run.

Not everything, not everything, not every arc, but there are things from Dragon Ball Z, various arcs that are also shown within the series.

And it's just done, it's slow.

And at first I didn't like it, but it's like at this point, I think the way that everything shaped up and then how it even had, it paid is on my, you know, I gave honors to series that aren't even necessarily looked at and things in Dragon Ball that aren't even looked at as being a part of the initial series and such and having those things in play as well.

It was, it's solid.

It's shaped up really, really, really well so far.

And I'm really excited to see how it ends.

How many, do we know how many episodes we have left now?

It can't be that many.

It can't be that many.

Okay, B.

It doesn't even look like it's going to be season two.

D, oh yeah, D, you haven't watched it, right?

I've watched one episode and I was like, waiting for these niggas to grow up, but I guess they're babies for now.

I have a theory I was talking to a friend about, but I don't want to spoil anything.

Spoil it.

How, okay, y'all remember Battle of the Gods?

No.

Yes.

Yeah.

Remember when What's-Her-Face had the dream?

Beerus.

What if it was SSJ4?

What if that was SSJ4?

A mix, but mix that with the God key that they get from Beerus.

Yes.

Or the idea of him filling that presence.

Or Ultra Instinct, Time Super Saiyan 4, and then Ultra Ego, Time Super Saiyan 4.

But what?

Okay.

Let me mess everything up for you.

But what if we're stuck in the realm of they can only go this form in the Demon World?

I don't think that would be the case, because it seems like he has the grasp.

Could be.

Why hasn't he used it?

Why hasn't he used it in Super?

That is a good, maybe, anonymous.

Because you gotta think about it.

Maybe it's the magic element.

Maybe he has to figure out more of the magic element or something.

I don't fucking know.

They brought it here for a reason, which means that they're going to use that in the coming...

I don't believe that they're going to do it.

I don't think so, though, because why go backwards?

Maybe, I mean, we do see in times, especially when Goku wants to test his opponent, we'll see him go through various forms.

But that defeats the whole purpose of Broly.

That defeats the entire purpose of the Broly movie where he did that.

Because then why wouldn't he just do that for him then?

I think that T might be right.

It may be something where this is, to bring it in the canon, they using it as the caveat is it can only be accessed in this round.

Because remember when Berus came, what did Goku go when he was on King Kai's planet?

He only went to a certain form.

Thank you, Nile.

He only went three.

He only went three.

So think about it.

They can easily, like pretty much Goku will say, oh, I can only go four.

Boom.

But the problem is though, where do we explain Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta?

That's the only big caveat in this whole situation.

They can get away with Goku saying that I can only go Super Saiyan 4 in this world.

But Vegeta shouldn't be able to do that, right?

So it's going to be a lot that they have to explain as this carries on into the super timeline or hold on.

I already got some articles.

We flipping go.

I already got some.

I go through that.

I go through that.

We had 10 14 right now.

So everybody nostalgic run.

If you have a tapped in a Dragon Ball Diamond, I promise you, you're going to be bored.

The first couple of episodes, I promise you, I can't lie about that.

So y'all just gonna have to grind the teeth, get through that shit or just skip closer to the end.

And I'm pretty sure you could get the bare minimum of what is going on in the story.

And it's very childish, too.

I feel like that's a good point to kind of add in there.

You're not getting tournament vibes.

You're not getting like cell saga vibes.

It's not anything like that.

It's more of a childlike series.

It's a shorter version of GT.

Shorter version of GT.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Even DGT, though, was a little bit more like, it had more darker themes.

This doesn't have that.

It doesn't even have GTs.

But a carry has ever been any dark thing with a carry Toriyama's work.

Yeah.

He has done some dark stuff.

Sal Sago has some like sad parts and like dark parts.

What dark parts?

The only dark part I've seen was when Goku pretty much put his child up on a chopping block and gave this man a whole sense of being, let's reset the wrong.

It might have been a filler.

It might have been a filler episode.

I'm not sure.

But like when-

That was Majin Buu Saga.

Yeah.

But since this was magically assisted, I'm sorry, a different tangent.

Since this was magically assisted by the Namekin, right?

There's already a way for Goku to achieve this.

We already have seen this power to be achievable.

He just has to reach a certain power level to attain it.

All right.

Well, here's another caveat is what if it's not necessarily confined to a world, but it's confined to a certain type of Namekin?

Like it has to be unlocked by a Namekin.

But that could also be a caveat.

I mean, he's the only one that has this magic ability.

But technically, Pickle would have that magic too because he's derived from-

No, not in the way of Never.

He said in the series, he said in Dime, this is the most powerful Namekin I've ever seen in my life.

Yeah, he don't got like maybe Dende.

I can see you trying to make the argument for Dende because of the role Dende has, et cetera, his ability to be able to talk to language and communicate.

Maybe, but if Dende isn't at a point where he has the wisdom or knowledge to do it, then the only one who would have been able to do it is old Demon King Namekin.

That would be it.

That's the only one who could.

So that could be the caveat too.

And that's the reason why you didn't see it in Battle of Gods.

I think how Ultra Instinct, he was able to create that Susano.

I think he's going to be able to create the Super Saiyan form in essence with that Ultra Instinct key that he gets or whatever you say.

Nah, I just think it go beyond.

It just, I think it's just going to go beyond.

There may be something where they try, there may, there could very well be a Super Arc where they try to awaken the Great Ape aspects of a Saiyan.

We got Broly here, so you can't say no, right?

People were saying that maybe it's a way for Broly to power up while all of these other guys are going in the like God mode type of thing.

That's possible.

But what would Broly need?

Super Saiyan 4?

Broly sounds fucking disgusting.

Yeah, it does.

But, wait, you go Super Saiyan?

Broly?

Yeah, he goes Super Broly.

Super Broly, and then he goes Legendary Super Saiyan.

Yeah.

Which is two different things.

Yeah, so if he had Legendary Super Saiyan 4, they could go back.

I just don't know.

I don't think that Akira Toriyama really cared much for the hotels and the whole Great Ape thing.

It worked well for the Saiyan invasion in Dragon Ball Z, and it worked in Dragon Ball for how that was used.

But I just don't think he ever enjoyed using that aspect.

So I don't know if I could see them going back to it, unless whoever takes over the writing for Super really kind of goes into the fan fiction part.

This was...

Or the fan...

What's the term I'm looking for?

When you do things that fans specifically like, it's a term for it.

I can't think of one.

Fan service.

Thank you.

Unless the new Mangaka, who's gonna finish or continue Super, goes heavily into the fan service side.

This was the most fan service-y side from Akira Toriyama.

Yeah.

And this is in a while.

I don't know.

I can't think exactly what will be the last name before this, but this was probably the most fan service I've seen from Akira Toriyama in a while.

He knew what he was doing, too, man.

He knew niggas was going out.

It's kind of eerie because I feel like he almost knew he was going out.

Yeah.

And he needed to make this shit canon before or even after.

Now that we know.

Because it's just kind of like a thank you for...

It's just kind of like a thank you for watching Dragon Ball throughout all of the years.

That's what the series really ultimately feel like it was trying to say.

Like here, I'm going to give you elements from everything from Dragon Ball Z to even the things that were not canon.

I'm going to give you every element or aspect of Dragon Ball as a whole.

And it's like weird that he did that before he left.

Because I mean, I don't think he knew he was going to be departing.

Kind of kind of switch characters even kind of just like copied the GT storyline.

Instead of Pan, you got the the alien demon world girl.

Yeah, like who is not just only like Pan, but is also kind of like Bulma.

Think about it.

All of the technology.

Yeah.

Oh, you know what I'm saying?

It's like, yeah, it's really weird.

It's kind like when as the later episodes, it kind of started to become a little eerie to me because I'm like, did he know he was going to be leaving?

It's just crazy, man.

We greatly appreciate you, Toriyama, for everything you did, everything you're still for, and the content that you created and even give to us even after you have passed away.

So RIP, rest in power to Toriyama.

RIP, I care, Toriyama.

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